joining us from washington, john harwood. is this like when you do to pass a bill to see what's in it, kind of like the same thing, isn't it? >> i don't know about passing the bill to see what's in it, but on andrew's point and your point -- >> you're going to agree with andrew? wait a second. let me stop the presses here. >> i haven't said anything, dude. >> okay, go ahead. let's hear. >> my point is, yes, you can get to 28%, but remember, that simpson-bowles raises money. it's not revenue neutral. that's the difference. simpson-bowles raised a lot of revenue. and becky is right, look, presidential campaigns especially the last month are not where campaigns decide to lay out the difficult details. remember this, ronald reagan ran for re-election and there were vague illusions to tax reform. did he layout a tax reform plan? he did not. they passed tax reform in 1986. so of course journalists will press for details because it is difficult to make plans up. we can't know precisely how the obama administration proposes to raise